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Snow Axe
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.12.18 14:15:00 -
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Between always-on passive skill training, being able to purchase isk for RL currency, and the nature of ships being about different roles rather than bigger/more expensive = better than, Eve is already massively friendly to casual gameplay. Somewhere along the line, though, "casual" got conflated with "easy", and because of that we see great amounts of whining by so-called "casual" players who really just want everything handed to them with little-to-no thought or effort.
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Snow Axe
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.12.18 15:17:00 -
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Jame Jarl Retief wrote:Guess why? They don't treat casuals as crap.
Eve treats casual players thousands of times better than WoW. WoW has significantly more players because Eve's high-risk* style of gameplay is far more niche than WoW's far broader appeal. You cannot look to WoW for any lessons unless you're advocating changing what kind of game Eve even is, in which case you'd be asking Eve and CCP to compete directly with WoW and its ilk, which means you'd be a really dumb bad.
* by high-risk I mean guaranteed losses. Your ship blows up? It's gone. No respawns, or "you died you lose 10% durability", it's just gone. Get a new one.
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Snow Axe
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.12.18 16:18:00 -
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That's an awful lot of words and they're all wrong. Guess my "dumb and bad" thing was dead on. Not gonna bother quoting that mess of words.
You're doing that stupid conflation of casual vs difficulty again. Yes, WoW hand-holds new players better because the game itself is stupidly simple. Fantastic. It's easy. It also takes a far larger investment of actual time to level, gear up, etc. Eve has a very steep initial cliff (and that part does need to be helped out), but once you're over the metaphorical hump, you put in as much time as you like and you won't really be at any serious disadvantage compared to any other player. Eve's constant rebalance of lower ships (like the recent t1 frig and cruiser revamp) enchances this even further. I'm pretty much the definition of a casual MMO player, and I can do well for myself in Eve whereas if this was WoW I'd probably have unsubbed before I hit whatever the current level cap actually is these days.
If you truly can't tell the difference between "you've lost 10% durability" and "your ship and modules and implants are gone, go buy new ones", you're dense. There's a huge difference in mentality between "damaged" and "gone", even though the mechanic of "spend more currency and fix the problem" remains essentially the same. Check out any of the tears threads when Hulkageddon was running to see the very direct impact of that. It wasn't just loss of potential income, it was loss of A Thing They Had that made them lose their minds.
Lastly, Eve is not competing with WoW at all. They're both MMO's but cater to an entirely different subset of people. CCP knows this, and it's because of this they've never strayed very far from the core "idea" of their game - the mostly-unrestricted player-driven universe. Sure, they could drop all of that and go for the WoW dollar, but then they'd be directly competing with an established brand while simultaneously alienating their current subscriber base. You want to talk bad business? THAT'S bad business.
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Snow Axe
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.12.18 17:00:00 -
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Nothing screams "highsec publord" like every example of combat that Actually Happens in Eve being represented as Solo 1v1 duels.
There's also a hilarity in trying to paint new players being at a "serious" disadvantage to someone in an alliance who once used a newbie's quote of "two points on the Moros" (said newbie's first-ever words on Teamspeak while they were still in their trial) as a recruiting point.
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